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Like I said, I think both Carmen and Clavileno are about equal in a Vampire Aristocrats deck
That loop is the heart of why creating your own proxy cards is fun
Theyve been around since Llanowar Elves all the way back in Alpha , the very first Magic set, and have appeared all over the multiverse across over 600 creature cards
If Im not mistaken, this set has the most new commanders introduced in a Magic product to date
Although, the caveat of the last ability really weakens it
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